The more things change, the more they stay the same… Garry Hertzberg speaks to Dr. Wendy Orr, who while working in the medical examiner’s office in Port Elizabeth, became the first and only doctor in government employment to reveal police torture and abuse of political detainees in the 1980s. Then – Attorney Egon Oswald was the first South African lawyer to have prosecuted SA with human rights violations and torture at the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva and won his case. He is also the attorney who acted for 231 St. Albans Port Elizabeth prisoners who were allegedly tortured by members of correctional services.