When you leave the intelligence services, can you just go back to a normal life? Public interest and national interest are always in a delicate relationship, but who manages it? South Africa is filled with racial tension - both now and historically. What happened during apartheid if you loved a person with a different skin colour? Moe Shaik gives us his take on the limitations he faced when he was the head of intelligence. His book, ‘The ANC Spy Bible’, is sure to have tongues in South Africa's power sanctums wagging for some time to come. Brought to you by Nando’s.

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19.03.20 Pt 2 - Certain tribes are just better at cleaning their backside, let’s accept that. Is the rise of technocracies a threat to civil liberty? Is government intelligence run like James Bond runs his operation, or is it just a normal day job? Schabir Shaik - who loves golf - does not represent his whole family. And did Jacob Zuma's intelligence hand democracy as we know it to South Africans?

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