Struggle hero, former cabinet minister, and current President of COPE, Mosiuoa Lekota joins the hosts this week. Lekota argues for non-racialism by highlighting his personal history and engagement with the ideas of Black Consciousness, as well as CODESA, which led to his position. Roman teases out COPE’s position on expropriation without compensation, and Jonathan queries the party’s prospects in the 2019 election.