04.04.23 Pt 2 – Veli Ngubane, co-founder of Avatar – a 10-year-old agency that has become the largest fully black-owned advertising agency group in South Africa – joins the show to talk about his career in the advertising agency space. Having only ever had one job for 8 months, Veli discusses his experiences entering this competitive market, hitting the ground running. With a list of accolades second to none, this interview is particularly interesting if you are getting your business off the ground in Africa.